On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:10 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Computers count from zero. Always have, always will. > > yes, of course, I know. > > But it is possible to hide this in user interfaces. IMHO the machines > have to serve the humans, not the other way around. > > How many mails are you reading right now, 0 or 1 ;-) ? Well, 1. But an array of size 1 has only one element - array[0] ;-) <rant> I agree with you that programmers are terrible at interface design. It's the main reason I refuse to get a cell phone, because I have yet to see one that shows any sign of having been through a usability program. I can pick up a random cell phone and usually find a jaw-dropping, laugh-out-loud usability bug within a minute (most often a screen with no obvious way to get out). It's as if they just have the coders design the interface. I am looking forward to the Apple iPhone... </rant> Lee