>discovered that the pcmcia card I had recieved, had was new version, > which did not get along with the firmware code that hdsploader was > loading. that sounds awful!!! i do have a new pcmcia card, got it about three weeks ago. and the multiface is a a bit older as i got that second hand. i do hope this is not a problem still.... if there is anyone out there that can confirm this has been solved it would save me a lot of fiddling... thanks for the tip DuWayne, will try 32k when i get home, (32k, ew! whats the point!) cheers tom