>apt-get upgrade culture Spoken like a hard-core hacker. :) >certainly i read this list and work with linux audio tools while my >roommates watch people shoot at each other on the tv. i don't think >i'm any better than those guys - in fact, i wish i were as easily >amused. I don't think it's an issue of whose 'better' than who - to me it's more a matter of a demonstrated willingness to grow, change and adapt. Americans - for many reasons lanas mentioned - just tend to be insular w/re to the rest of the world. This isn't healthy from an evolutionary standpoint, and if continued, will lead to certain societal decline and diminishing global influence and significance. >i must take the canonized developer's attitude on this. don't like >our culture? submit a bug report, or learn to code a patch. Precisely what we are trying to do in our own unique fashion. I think it really starts at home - reforming yourself first, and focusing on how you raise your own children. If we each tend our own gardens, then I think the rest will take care of itself. >best antidote i've seen so far is the emergence of freely available >media production tools, as are refined and developed in forums such as >this one. I abolutely agree. >yours in america, proud land of harry partch and kurt vonnegut, And let's not leave out - 'the Blues', perhaps America's most precious gift to the planet. - Maluvia