On 2/23/06, Dave Griffiths <dave@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Dave Griffiths wrote: > > > >>>Frank Barknecht wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>... I hope someday people will > >>>>>be playing computers like people play guitars today. It's a lot of fun > >>>>>to code, but it would be even more fun if it wouldn't eat into the > >>>>> time > >>>>>I have available for producing music so much. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>But coding *is* playing the computer like people play the guitar! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Careful, Frank, there are a few of us here who do both. :) I > >>>respectfully disagree with your statement, though I agree with its > >>> intent. > >>> > >>>Playing any instrument requires years of physical engagement to form a > >>>playing technique. I'll certainly agree that using a computer also > >>>requires years of effort to master, but that mastery is not based on an > >>>analogous "playing technique". > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Hi Dave, I think I have to respectfully disagree with your disagreement > >> :) > >>this is something which is under debate, at least in some circles: > >>http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/events/ppig2005/papers/Blackwell.pdf > >> > >>I think distinctions here are a little silly though, as I've seen people > >>dance to music that is created by writing code live, and they don't seem > >>to care much whether it counts as music making or programming :) > >> > >>It's just (yet) another way to think about computers and music. > >> > >>I agree with everything else you are saying though :) > >> > > Hi Dave: > > > > I think I'll eat my statement re: "analogous playing technique". If the > > computer is any sort of instrument (of the mind or otherwise), then a > > playing technique must evolve. Perhaps the distinctions are difficult to > > confirm because we're at such an early stage with the instrument and its > > possible playing techniques ? Seems funny to say that, given the > > machine's long visibility as a music-making device, but some of our more > > familiar and typical instruments have been in development for centuries, > > and their own techniques are still evolving (I hope). > > It's early days, I think the use of a computer as a (albeit more flexible) > equivalent of a hardware device - with simulated knobs and switches etc, > is only scratching the surface somehow. > > The interesting thing is that most of this thinking and exploration seems > to be going on using free software. > > cheers, > > dave > > As far as using a computer more like a traditional instrument regarding response, layers of complexity and initial ease of playing this is actually what i hope to do my phd on. Still somewhat looking for somewhere to do it though. ;-) Loki
