Re: Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do*you* stand?

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pjfjacks wrote:

I don't own the letters A-Z or a-z.  I don't own the digits 0-9.  I don't
own any words in the Oxford English dictionary.

I can create and copyright a unique collection of those words ( an novel,
short story, new article, lyrics, etc.)

A computer program is created as a collection of words - a unique collection
of those words, that when compiled and executed on a target OS will
(hopefully!) perform some function(s).
Sorry, but this is *not* true.

What if I own a patent for what could be the only possible way to write a fast realtime FFT algorithm? Nobody else can write an application that does the FFT at that speed. This is science (computer science, indeed).

This is knowledge, and should be free.

To say that a software author cannot "own" that software nor have copyrights
to it is the same as to say an author / poet / screenwriter / columnist /
etc. cannot have any control over his work (or get paid for doing it) once
it is finished.

Phil J.




On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:42:26PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote:
If you want to compare apples to apples instead of
apples to colostomy bags how about explaining how software is different
from your latest song, novel, poem, picture.

A computer program can be written as a big integer.  Moreover, a
computer program has no representation that is not a big integer.

A song, novel, poem, picture, all have representations that are not
integers.  In particular, they are objects (though I contend
that the relevant fact is that they are not integers).

Since there is no difference between some big integer and a computer
program, you must defend a copyright against either use.  You have a
computer program and I am doing math.  I email you my results, and it
contains the number of your program.  I am using your program without
a license.  After all, *you have no way to tell that I am not*.

Alternatively, a good way to make illegal copies of software would be
to send an email that demonstrated some math.  At a predetermined point,
some number would be the program in question.  You couldn't claim
copyright infringment, because you have *no way of telling that I'm
not doing math*.

Philisophically, if you accept ownership of software, I don't see how you
can not accept ownership of numbers without somehow appealing to the
intent of the user.


Artistic objects you mentioned like the above have representations
that are not integers.  Though I can have a digital representation of
a painting that is an integer, I can also have an object that bears no
sensible mapping to the integers.  So I argue that unlike computer
programs, things that are merely "digitizable" are very different from
things that are only "digital".


c.
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