On Saturday 11 February 2006 04:11, Erik de Castro Lopo was like: > > On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using > > > libsndfile1-dev > > > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... > > I'll bite. > > Debian stable has libsndfile1: > > http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl? > > keywords=libsndfile&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all > > and that Debian stable was released in July 2005. > > People who have never taken the time to learn Debian would probably > be surpirsed just how good it actually is. Yeah, and I'll chew. Three years isn't standard EVEN FOR DEBIAN, OK? Sarge took this long to get out of the door, granted. I understand this was a tongue in cheek remark, but these idle remarks tend to get built on and get taken more seriously by some than they should. So, at risk of being Utterly Boring on this subject - Debian's idea of 'stable' is to be conservatively rock solid for production servers & newbies. Most Desktop users use 'testing' or 'sid', Everyone in Debian knows this and works accordingly. 'Testing' runs a couple of months or so behind the leading edge, which for me is just enough time to read bugreports and be aware of potential breakages in advance. For example, I'm still using stable for mission critical work, until etch settles down a bit. So I'm still using Linux-2.6.12, this kernel was compiled on 23 June 2005. So that's about a year behind. DeMuDi 'testing' has 2.6.14. There are lots of sources for backports and unofficial builds if you need to keep more up to date, which means rosegarden-dssi and ardour-0.99 on the music front and of course you can build your own if you need to be tracking CVS or whatever. The purpose of a distribution is to provide a solid foundation, I'm perfectly happy with having to do a little work if I want the latest toys. I know I do a lot of pom-pom waving for Debian. There's a reason for this. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim