On Thu February 2 2006 14:07, Lee Revell wrote: > See, this sums up the problem right here - as long most "Linux > users" pick their hardware based on Windows gaming performance > first, and Linux support second, we will never be able to > exert enough market pressure to get vendors to support Linux. What you're missing is that the people just now trying Linux are not "we". "We" buy our computers to run Linux. Everyone else buys their computers to "do stuff." Whichever does a better job of what they want to do, Windows or Linux or whatever, is what they're going to use. If they go to the computer store and every single laptop wireless card in the store is incompatible with Linux (something I experienced recently when trying to find an 802.11g card) "we" will stick experimental patches in our kernel and recompile it and hope for the best.... everyone else will buy the cheapest card they can get plus a copy of XP. This is especially true of hardware in categories where a lot of it doesn't work very well under Linux, like 3D gaming cards (it's pointless to say they're choosing it for "Windows gaming performance"; they're choosing it for "gaming performance" and the relative lack of games under Linux is just another factor pushing them back towards Windows) and more appropriately to this list, high-end audio hardware. I don't think it's very constructive to complain that other people want to use their computers for what you feel are the wrong things, as if they care whether Linux advances or not. Best to accept that most users are not like us, and figure out how to get Linux to do those things easier, more reliably, and more cheaply than Windows. Rob