On 20/11/05, Lee Revell <rlrevell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > [...] a completely undebuggable setup [...] > we have NO IDEA what the nvidia driver is > doing thus we CANNOT help you with any kernel problem at all. Bleh :-) All that's necessary is to verify the same problem exists without the closed driver loaded, then go back to using it and debug away, isn't it? Then, you may not know what the closed driver is doing, but you do know what it's not doing - ie. causing the problem you're trying to debug. Additionally, since it's very likely that debugging of setups which make use of closed drivers has occured, and will continue to occur, often with success, it's far from true to say that such a setup is "completely undebuggable". Because, simply, in many cases the fault being debugged is just not due to the closed driver, which is working perfectly well, and according to the manufacturer's description. (For examples of this, look at the many instances on distro support lists of people debugging their installations of non-free drivers. glxgears, anyone? ;-) If you want to take an ethical stance of not helping anyone who uses closed drivers, that may be a defensible position. But it's no use pretending there are well-founded and absolute technical reasons for it -- it's an ethical choice, a thoroughgoing boycott if you like, not a technical necessity. It's true that the use of closed drivers brings with it an element of uncertainty, which may deter people from getting involved in solving a problem, but that doesn't make it "completely undebuggable". So it seems to me, anyway. - Pete.
