Hello Frank, I hope you're listening in, this one is for you: You finally got me where you want us all to at least look once: I'm wading through pd pages on the net and building pd and externals. The stuff I see and hear there is awesome, well, like you always said. The hook for me was fwish (http://www.danslchamp.org/mrtof/code.htm). That I wanted to see. I tried a *lot* of things. Turned out that after building Gem, zexy, cyclone, Iemlib etc I needed fwish's relaxing images badly. I take it from pd-list that the nightmarish experience of getting and building pd stuff is a known feature. So I won't complain. But hey =:O Then I said to myself: "Something simple now for a change" and ran into your pd303 (http://footils.org/cms/show/19). Ha! Even the first steps are fun: Can't build knob.pd_linux (parse error "typedef struct _methodentry" from m_imp.h) The makefile points to pd source (I'm back to 0.37.1-devel) alright, m_imp.h and the others are there. The knob.pd_linux that you have included in http://footils.org/pd303.tgz loads. But pd says "knob.pd_linux: undefined symbol: iemgui_list" when it's supposed to do anything (although iemgui_list exists in src/g_all_guis.h). So now I need your help. I want the knob. I think the knob will rock. Will it? Thank you for all your stuff, btw. Wolfgang