well, i'd like to thank everyone for their forgiving attitudes ... especially you noah (i don't think your abuse reporting will have too many consequences, but whatever there are i deserve). i don't want to unsubscribe from the list, so unless anyone has objections i would like to stay ... the list is too valuable to me to let go of, however - i *have* learnt a few things, so you shan't see a repeat performance from me. thanx shayne