unfortunately, it is true that i signed noah up for spam - after receiving a bunch of spam yesterday, and with my troll-like rage still brewing over our exchanges, i expediently blamed noah and signed him up on one of the pages the spam led to. i know this is unforgivable, and i feel terrible, hence this embarrassing public apology - most of all to noah, but also to the group for betraying its trust and letting my unjustified anger get the better of me. just so i can feel the full force of my mistake, and also as some form of contrition, i welcome one and all who is horrified by my actions to sign me up for whatever spam they want. forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx machine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx shunichi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx but i guess any @machinehasnaogenda.com address will do. also, my shame is so great that i will have to unsubscribe from the lists for a while (as soon as the unsubscribe page is back up). i feel terrible, and i offer my sincere aplogies. shayne