I am beginning to see that, whatever the problems with Bristol may or may not be, there are some basic things about how midi is routed in Linux that I need to understand first. i.e. there are a significant number of different files in /dev that are midi related, but I don't really know the difference between all of them. For instance I have not been clear about the difference between midi, raw midi and the sequencer (it is only from reading Dave Phillips' post in this thread that I even know that it is the sequencer we are dealing with in the midi patch bay), nor have I been clear whether, for instance, /dev/sequencer is an alsa or oss device. Is there a guide somewhere that explains this kind of stuff? Another thing: Am I right to understand that whether or not I use jacklaunch should in itself make no difference to what happens with midi? In other words will "jacklaunch ./startBristol" and just "./startBristol" do the same thing? Experiment seems to tell me that, but I want to make sure. Anyway, this is what happens when I try to launch Bristol in various ways: $jacklaunch ./startBristol -midi oss $jacklaunch ./startBristol -midi alsa Both of the above cause Bristol to launch with no midi-related error messages and no midi in the patchbay. $jacklaunch ./startBristol -seq This is supposed to start Bristol using the alsa sequencer. The application tries to start up, a window opens but no gui appears, "129:Bristol" shows up for a second or so in the midi patchbay and then Bristol shuts down. Here is the output bash-2.05b$ jacklaunch ./startBristol -seq You may want to make bristolengine a suid-root executable spawning midi thread Could not reschedule thread to 2 parent going into idle loop connected to :0.0 (80c53d8) display is 2752 by 1200 pixels Window is w 2752, h 1200, d 24, 0 0 0 Using DirectColor display masks are ff0000 ff0000 ff0000 flags are 8a000000 midi sequencer Returning socket 5 Opened listening control socket: 5028 Client ID = 129 Queue ID = 0 Device name did not parse, defaults 128.0 Cannot subscribe port 0 from client 128: Operation not permitted Error opening midi device /dev/midi, exiting midi thread INIT: 80c50f0 Initialise the mini link to bristol: 80c9e50 hostname is localhost, bristol port is 5028 Connected to the bristol control socket: 5 bristolengine already active 80c4f40 80000000 0 parent exiting return - no data in buffer cleanupBristol(0) ./startBristol: line 127: 8259 Broken pipe bristol $* -engine bash-2.05b$ Does that make things any clearer? There are other options I could mess about with, such as -mididev, but those seemed most obviously connected. Robert On March 14, 2005 04:30 am, quoth Dave Phillips: > Tobias Ulbricht wrote: > >As far as my experience goes, if Bristol provides an ALSA midi sequencer > > port, it'll automatically show up in qjackctl. Am I right? > >If so, jack does not really do MIDI handling/sequencing, I guess. > > The MIDI Connections patchbay in QJackCtl is a nice convenience, it's > not a fundamental aspect of JACK itself. The MIDI patchbay represents > (IIRC) the status of the ALSA sequencer. If Bristol is not an ALSA > sequencer client then it will not display in the MIDI patchbay, though > as a JACK client it will appear in the Audio Connections tab. > > As far as I know, at this point JACK has nothing to do with MIDI. > > Best, > > dp -- Robert Persson ireneshusband@xxxxxxxxxxx YahooMess:ireneshusband AIM:shamanicpolice "No matter how much ye shake yer peg The last wee drap rins doon yer leg."