JP Mercury wrote: >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:15:11 -0500, linux-audio-user-request wrote > > >>just taking this a bit further - has anyone experimented with >>live-jamming over skype? >> >> >.. > > >>(just to make sure it didn't drop out) - but with the headphones on, >>listening to the band up on stage being broadcast back out to me, there >>was at least a half-beat delay (mind you, i couldn't take the headphones >>off, because this delay turned what was an average reggae band >>onstage into a dubbed-out head-freak). >> >>even still, perhaps in an electronic music environment, a delay like >>this would be manageable via quantization or something? >> >> > >Shayne, > >I believe that Net jamming is just over the horizon. For full duplex audio, it >seems, latency is the big issue. Data takes time to move. The dynamics of how >that works seem to vary with Net technology, but there will always be some >latency. > >Since you brought up Skype-- Matthias Grob (inventor of Echoplex Digital Pro) >and I recently had a conversation over SkyPe. At one point, we tried some >percussion with household objects.. but I found his Brazilian beats + latency >hard to follow!! > >Your suggestion to use this latency as a feature is interesting to me. This is >a major direction I want to go with FreeWheeling- the live looper I'm working >on. Basically, FreeWheeling lets you capture and play with multiple loops in >real-time. > > > yeah, i've mucked around with it a little bit ... not too much, cos i haven't got any outboard midi things yet, which would probly make it easier to use (for me, anyway). i really like it though - the closest thing to ableton live on linux, albeit with a bit more scope for real-time use due to its ease-of-access-and-execution :) >What I want to do with FreeWheeling is to have users able to connect to a >common jam room. As different users capture loops from their improvisations, >the loops become available to other users in real-time. Since the loops are >syncronized to a common downbeat and tempo, Wolfgang in Germany can take >Latifah in Brooklyn's loops and add them to his own improvisation. > > > that sounds idyllic ... i remember a similar concept with arturia storm (version 2.0, i think) where you could connect to a sort of chat-like room and share loops and samples with other users ... i think a good idea would be to have different "song" rooms, created by a particular user who would define the tempo, key etc of the song - perhaps you could preview a room to see if it took your fancy - and joined by others who would add layers or segments to it ... this would be a pretty complex implementation, though ... >There are a lot of possibilities with both live collaboration and storing >loops to form larger pieces of music that persist over the Net. It is a type >of collaborative improvisation I am going for. To make this happen I need to >find some volunteers- people who want to try jamming together through loops. I >have been working on other features in FreeWheeling because I'm not certain >that I have the user base to pull this off yet. But with a few genuinely >interested people, we could make this a reality. > > > well, i'd be more than happy to test out the potential - i'm not *too* experienced in your program, or real-time loop manipulation, though, but i'm always keen to develop these abilities. i'm guessing you don't need the loop-based production genius of the avalanches to test these ideas though ;) >I'm most interested in the power that music has to cross borders and touch >people. In this world seemingly fragmented, I think it is important for us to >hear each other's stories. If I can play music with someone from another >culture, that to me is much more interesting than producing an album or going >after a certain style. I see music as a social process, a healing tool-- and I >think we have an amazing opportunity to use grass-roots technology to create >communities of music. > > > i dig where yr coming from j.p. >Thanks, Shayne, for giving me the nudge I needed to write this-- it's been >brewing in me and this thread over net jamming has been my catalyst. > > no worries - i'm just glad a few people find this idea worth pursuing, cos i really think the potential is huge - the internet and digital audio has changed the way we think about music, but it hasn't much changed the way we *make* music yet .... imagine .... shayne
