Mark Constable wrote: > Steve Harris wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 08:10:51 +1000, Mark Constable wrote: >> >>> Using it for interviews for podcasting is also an >>> almost mandatory requirement but until someone works >>> out how to record both ends of the conversation at >>> the same time it's hardly worth the effort. It's the >>> same issue for doing live jams... or at least would >>> be all much easier to manage if using AND recording >>> both sides of the discussion/jam, all at the same >>> time, was feasible. >> >> >> You can do it with JACK, just mix in each stage of the jam, and >> forward on >> the mix the next studio: >> >> studio A ----> voip ---> mix+voip ---> studio C (endpoint + record) >> (source) ^ >> | >> studio B > > > Thanks but in the case of a simple two ended voice comms, > where one end is me with an SBlive, the other end only gets > an echo of their own voice and cannot hear me. I can hear > them, and their echo, just fine. > > The "other end" in my case are professional people who do > not use linux and the perception on follow-up landline calls > is that when they know I am using linux on my end the response > is "hey pal, get a real computer and don't waste my time". > > Which leaves me in an embarrasing position and also with no > one on the other end patient enough to give me feedback when > I try to tweak alsamixer to find the right comdination. > Sure I could use 2 computers, 2 headsets and 4 ears to try > and work out the right alsamixer combo but I still have to > deal with the same clueless person to try and work thru all > the combinations on both ends. > this is with skype? then it's definitely yr alsamixer settings ... when i've been recording and forget to change my mixer settings back to "normal", i sometimes get problems like this on skype ... also - you must make sure skype is the *only* app using bandwidth, otherwise you do get echoes. > To Mario, yes I know skype is "evil" like mp3 but there are > too many "buts" already. iPods won't play ogg content and > most VoIP users do not run linux. It's a sad thing on both > counts but that's life so if I want to interact with "most > people" I have to bend my own rules... or not play at all. > yeah ... in life, there are no absolutes :) i'm sure, though, that skype has the potential - in time - to be open-sourced. think about it - the *only* thing that matters to something like VoIP is market-share ... the more people that use *your* application, the more likely *other* people are to use it - there's no use joining a network that has no one to talk to ;) i reckon (maybe with some pressure, heh heh) that once skype has cemented its market share, then it can only benefit, and benefit *big*, by going open source ... that is why it's a bit silly to avoid discussion of it. > As for real-time jamming, I can't imagine it being feasible > in any useful way other than proofing tracks... as in side > A plays composition, side B records it then adds extra > content while side A then records that combination, then > after that is recorded, said A adds their bit to the mix, > which side B then records, and on it goes ping-pong fashion. > yeah, this would at least be something .... i was checking out the forums, and it doesn't look like full-duplex recording will be an option until they release an alsa-enabled version (which could be soon). > Is their a kind and patient LAU user out there somewhere > who would be interested in trying some skype tests ? sure ... email me off-list, and we'll arrange it. shayne
