On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 04:53:40PM +0200, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > > Neuron is only device which seems to have free (as in freedom) > transfer method between the device and computer. I have an iRiver iHP-120 (now called the H120), and it's awesome. It's about the same size as an iPod, but it shows up as a regular USB2.0 HD, with no special software. So you just drag your music onto it, and you can listen. It also has a built in microphone (which sounds pretty terrible), and also a line level I/O, optical I/O, and a 1/8 mic input. It's not free as in speech, and definently not free as in beer, but it's a great unit. The open source firmware on the neuros is really great, but the unit itself is pretty large. When I bought this, though, I was seriously considering the neuros, because of all the potential for a lot of user-driven features, so you'd probably be happy with either one. -spencer