On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 03:59, Mark Knecht wrote: > >From my point of view I completely separate, 100%, operating systems > from applications. However I know others do not, and that's their > right. For me operating systems are platforms that handle hardware and > give my apps a places to live and breath. Apps are my tools, and for > my work I want to best tools I can find. I know enough about you to > know you're much the same. ..... > There are many (well, I > don't know that for a fact) people that seem to want to make their > platform and application choices from a political position. The old > Soviet Union and Microsoft are 'Evil Empires'. yeah, that pretty much sums it up - i found a pretty hardcore article which spells out not only very compelling reasons to switch to linux from a user perspective, but from a social and political one as well ... this is for the conspiracy nuts amongst us (me included): http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-339.html for me, it was stuff like microsoft messenger, media player etc that got me looking into linux - those "programs" are like viruses ... i don't know how many times windows media player (and various audio cd's) installed DRM software without my permission. then, when i switched to linux, i was disappointed to discover that audio work was going to be something of a *chore* ... especially when i'd accidently wiped about four years worth of recorded music in the process of switching (man, do i backup like a madman now!). but then i was pleased to discover that, with a little/lot of study and hard work, you could actually do almost ANYTHING with linux. it's FUN to get stuff working on this thing. i fear now that i can only get my cheapies from making stuff work, not actually working it :) anyway, that's my perspective on windows progs on linux ... shayne -- ----------------------------------------- fedora core 2 kernel 2.6.8.1-1.520.1vR9.11.rhfc2.ccrma wine 20041201 xfce 4.2rc2 ----------------------------------------- asus a7n8x-x m/b 80 gb western digital caviar h/d 512mb generic ram nvidia geforce mx400 agp 8x v/c soundblaster live 5.1 platinum