> No those areen't the same thing. I'm talkin about qamix from the later, > and by tweaking some setting on the makefile (IIRC) you can end with a > native KDE application (qamix -> kamix) which includes the tray icon. Yes, I've talked to both authors and figured it out. There is kamix (to be renamed kyamix?), which is a separate program and doesn't have custom XML files for each card, but does let you rearrange the inputs, and there is qamix, which has the XML files for each card. qamix can be compiled differently to become KAMix, a KDE version, which is distributed with SUSE. There is also an unrelated thing called KAMIX. I'm trying qamix first, since the kyamix program is not included in CCRMA, apparently. Someday I'm going to have to learn to compile from source...