Been a very long time since i've witnessed any flaming amonst our number here. I've seen Lee deal it out to those deserving of a slap, David was on the warpath about something a while ago etc. All that is inevitable and really quite healthy ( and in Lee's case much good from his way comes..) but it is somewhat distressing to see this kind of unneccessary shirt-fronting going on. The Linux community is the most giving,involving,sharing & meaningful groups of humainity I know... and I aint joking. The help, support and services supplied without ANY requirement for reward is both abundant and extraordinary. It is essential that everybody who takes part in or belongs to this group, and Linux in general, remembers where they are and to whom they are talking. Burning bridges only makes it harder for some other traveller later on. we're not on some "gamers" forum here. very best, geoff.