On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 13:02, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:58:59AM -0600, Benjamin Flaming wrote: > > On Friday 12 March 2004 12:17 pm, Polashek, Matthew wrote: > > > Interesting idea, however I don't feel that any problems are solved by > > > doing that. I am interested in using only one mixer for both monitors and > > > mains. > > > > > > > > > What do you consider "a tiny bit"? > > > > Your milage will vary ;) It depends on the positions of the monitors, > > how loud they are, how loud the sound sources are, and how picky the > > musicians are. It's just that it's much harder to get away with delay in the > > monitors than it is in the mains. > > Indeed. Rule of thumb - 1 ms delay is roughly equal to the delay > caused by 1 foot of distance. Aside from messing with the musicians' > groove, a few ms delay can cause comb filtering when combined with direct > sound from whatever the mics are pointing at. This can result in > smeary-sounding treble and mushy bass. > > Personally, for my sense of timing, I think I can put up with anything > under about 10 ms but I get really annoyed above that. I have been using my laptop (Dell 650Mhz w/ 256 RAM) for fx on the PA only. At first I was using Ardour as host but now Alsa Modular synth because I can control FX with midi foot pedal (Small duo with midi backing and live guitars / vocals) This is working very well for standard Reverbs, delay and hopefully soon some vocoder stuff. But messing with latencies, etc, I cannot see using this setup at this time as a complete mixing solution. I can deal with anything under 10ms too but it just doesnt help your groove at all! I'm a one man band and if I need to pull something down or up quickly in volume, I need a knob to grab...not fiddle with a mouse. Secondly, the stock soundcard in my Dell (ESS Maestro3) I doubt would handle it well. And the lack of I/O's is obviously an issue. I intend on trying a Echo Layla or maybe Delta 66 at some point but for now my Linux laptop and LADSPA plugs is giving me great flexibilty and sound, reliably, and a box to do this would easily have cost toward $500.00 new. The laptop was a spare and Linux is NIX! I'm happy!! R~