On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 20:12, R Parker wrote: > --- Olivier Guilyardi <ml@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > R Parker wrote: > > > A drawback I see to the knob only mixer is it > > limits > > > the users ability to visually associate what they > > hear > > > with what they see. > > > > Trouble is sliders are space-taking. > > Understood. > > It occurs to me that I am commenting on a mixer design > and I don't even know what this mixer is for. What is > its primary purpose? > > If live mixing softsynths (monitor mixing), then new > knobishy widget might not be problematic. > > If control room mixing, then "typical" knobs are > problematic. > > What about a > > colorful approach : > > A little square which is white for 0, black for 1, > > and taking a scale of > > gray colors for intermediate values. You'd ajust it > > the same way as a > > knob, pressing the mouse button and going up/down, > > or with the mouswheel. > > > > It wouldn't remind the user of any physical > > equivalent, but it would > > better suit the digital interface. With a hue scale > > (HSV color model), > > instead of a gray one, the visual impact could be > > pretty efficient, > > though it would require some practice to get used to > > it. > > A colored hue scale using metering colors could be > interesting; yellow = low, orange = medium, red = hot. > Whatever the colors are, they need to help you solve > problems without thinking. If they're to gawdy, it'll > be nothing but a blur. Simple example, the cowbell is > obscured by the guitar, the cowbell has plenty of > headroom gain or it doesn't. Ideally, the conclusion > can be reached in a fraction of a second. > > Have you tried the LADSPA plugins as Ardour presents > them? There is no "slider." The space that would be a > slider is a transluscent single shade. You left-mouse > + click and drag the hue around. It's interesting. > > Maybe instead of knobs you have circular shaped and > appropriately thick lines with the hues of meters and > you do the left-mouse+click and drag to adjust levels. > Is that close to what you're imagining? > > Just reread your proposal and squares or rectangels > are probably better because it would be easier to > interpret levels at a glance. > > I guess the summation of my point is that a mixer > interface needs to convey information. Imagine that > we're monitor mixing on the side of a dark stage for a > major label touring show. Maybe the mixer should be > user definable layers of sliders; layer 1 is drums, 2 > bass and guitars, 3 keyboards, 4 backing vocals, etc. > > The user can define the number of sliders for each > layer and each of them is exposed with a soft button > push. > > The routes are user definable so the drums could run > through a bus. This enables the user to adjust the > output level of the entire group or any individual > instrument. I suppose the master/Stereo bus fader > should be exposed at all times. > > Is this mixer designed to we can MMC bind hardware > faders to its level adjusting things? > > Anyway, I haven't read the thread on lad but I noticed > a monstor long one over there. I really shouldn't > comment on this topic because I didn't read that > thread. Besides, if God hadn't created John Deer, I'd > be out in the field with a pitch fork. Damned it > though, it would be a fancy pitch fork. > > ron > > > -- > > og > > I've decided, after much thoughts <sheepish grin goes here> that I don't like Knobs OR Sliders! How about a little widget that looks like a faucet?!! Or perhaps a pneumatic valve that connects to a control lever such as on a backhoe or bull dozer?? Perhaps a throttle widget like in aircraft cockpits? Or even a clip widget like on an intravenous drip line> Yeah! That's the ticket! I'm sorry...I can't help myself! :) I am a bit surprised at the level of passion over snobs versus liders....er ....whatever. I am kind of fond of the backhoe lever though. We could then put international symbols for loud and quiet. Loud = Rabbit & Quiet = Turtle. All in good fun peeps. Don't take me seriously. My wife doesn't! :) R~ > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ >
