On Friday 09 Jul 2004 8:08 pm, Chris Pickett wrote: > Yes, of course, but the typesetting language _itself_ doesn't have > this, right? I can also do [...] in TeX, but that doesn't make it > _programming_. Bad example -- TeX is not a very efficient general-purpose language, but it is certainly a true programming language. Here for example are implementations of Bresenham's straight line algorithm and Bezier splines in TeX, which I wrote for fun about twelve years ago: http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/m/line-algorithms.tex I don't think that has much bearing on the present discussion though! Chris