Ahhhh.... If only 9 out of 10 electronic musicians who have been making tracks longer than 6 months simply didn't care... I just put an email into Ableton to see if they had any plans for a linux port. It can only help asking... While I have serious doubts about the possibility it would become an open source application, on rare occasion I would actually go closed source on my linux box. (While not preferred, I'd do it.) And Live 3 would probably be one of those apps. derek holzer wrote: > OK...drifting back on topic [slowly....] > > noname wrote: > >> I came across some posts about gdam when I was looking for a Linux >> alternative to Ableton's Live. Some of the posts talked about time >> stretching, but I can't remember if gdam has time stretching >> capabilities or not. Website: http://gdam.ffem.org/ > > > Gdam [if you can get it running stable... currently it is totally broken > under Gentoo] has a very nice DJ-style "pitch control" for modifying > playback speeds. But it still alters pitch, so it is not technically > time-stretching. > > Personally I find Ableton the most bone-headed software ever made! In > blind taste-tests, 9 out of 10 electronic muscians who have been making > tracks longer than 6 months can spot a piece made in Ableton, simply > because it is only good for one thing: time-synching whatever kinds of > loops you throw into it with a lockstep four-to-the-floor beat. Beyond > that, it is a creative cul-de-sac. </rant> > >> Does Csound offer time stretching? > > > Yes, and so does PD. Look for an external called Syncgrain(s?) on the > net, by Frank Barknecht, which offers a granular synthesis approach to > changing playback speed w/o changing pitch. My own PD abstraction > Particle Chamber [also based on granular synthesis] can also do similar > time-stretches, but is made more for creating abstract sounds and > textures. > >> On Jan 14, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Glenn McCord wrote: >> >>> Is there a loop based editor similar to Sonic Foundry's Acid either >>> in existance or under development? >> > > Many sample editors [Audacity, Ardour and Rezound, probably also Sweep, > and also Ecasound] can change the playback length, but I am not sure if > they all do this independent of pitch. Ardour in particular uses a > library which is quite effective at time-stretching independent of > pitch. Check the archives of this list for a thread called "stretching > sound" for more details. > >>> What I'm looking for is Acid's ability to stretch/compress loops >>> depending on the metronome therefore being able to take any loop and >>> use it to any metronome speed. >> > > AFAIK, there is not something which does this in such a "user-friendly" > fashion as Acid. That said, I would also like to take this opportunity > to dish on Acid a bit as well ;-) > > Seriously, though... back in my cracked-software-days, I spent some time > playing in Acid. I found the arrangement possibilities alright, at least > if you were into breakbeats and such. But its *worst* feature was its > time-stretching algorithms, which would hopelessly distort any sound > with even the most minor adjustments without a *lot* of tweaking around. > > I often found it was better to set my tempo, figure out how long my bars > needed to be and time-stretch the samples in a sample editor with far > better time-stretch algorithms. If I were doing breakbeats now, I would > probably experiment until I found a tempo I was happy with, use Ardour > to time-stretch, and do my arrangements in Hydrogen. A two-step process > [no pun intended!], but one that would probably give pretty good results. > >>> I read Acid is a failure under wine. >> > > Wine is fine, but lysergic acid diethylamide is quicker. > Hardee-har-har... :-) > > D. > >
