On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 06:29, vord wrote: > LAUs -- > > all I'm trying to do is appeal to those people, if there are any, who > are willing to come together and face companies like RME and offer > them a compromise as i outlined. nothing more or less. You raised 2 different but very important issues here. One is that in order to succeed, application development itself isn't sufficient although it's the most crucial part. We need to be more politically involved.(sure everyone here including myself hates the term political, but it's the way it is), that is we should join efforts, be more active in communicating with the "outside world", promoting *but* most importantly the developers should be a lot more selfaware and proud of what they did simply because the fact the something is open source or proprietary is irrelevant if it comes to quality or efficiency of your technology. The reason this didn't happen yet is a sign that the linux audio community is not selfaware yet. The second is that we should absolutely not allow any compromises. Though i know that some people disagree with this opinion, the truth is that there already are companies which do what we essentially want - provide open source drivers. And this is the ultimate goal. Marek