On Wednesday 15 December 2004 02:13 am, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > >> >> > > A society where you put money higher than cooperating with > > >> >> > > other people is not a good society, in my opinion. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Socialism - it ain't pretty... > > >> >> > > >> >> Really. I was going to point out that that is exactly what Karl > > >> >> Marx (or was that Groucho) said. You can see how well that worked > > >> >> out. > > >> >> > > >> >> Jan > > >> > > > >> >Yeah... it's one of the most pervasive and influential concepts in > > >> > modern politics. Aspects of it are implemented in almost every > > >> > country on the face of the earth. > > >> > > >> Q. Why do all the really successful, accomplished, talented people > > >> leave Sweden? > > > > > >Because they don't? > > > > Check out how many of them live in Monaco to avoid the crushing taxes > > of Sweden. > > Crushing taxes, excellent public services. > Can you imagine how big Monaco would be if all the really successful, > talented and accomplished people left Sweden in order to live in Monaco? > Let's check the numbers: > Population: > 32,270 (July 2004 est.) > French 47%, Monegasque 16%, Italian 16%, other 21%(let's assume they all > come from Sweden) > So that's a 6000/8.000.000 ratio. > > > >> Q. Why don't many of the world's great doctors live in Canada. > > > > > >Because they do? > > > > Wrong. Most are in countries where they can be paid the highest > > salary. > > You just told me that: > 1. Most of Canada's greatest doctors live in the US, > 2. If you care about your health, forget about Canada. > > > Some very few are altruistic but that's their choice. > > If you want to be a great doctor, being altruistic is a part of your > job. A careless doctor is the worst thing that can happen to you if you > really need help. > > > >> A. Can you say socialized medicine? I knew you could. > > > > > >Health insurance anyone? > > > > Health insurance is paid for by me, for me. Socialized medicine is > > paid for by you and everyone else for me or anyone else. Big difference. > > No. This is not how insurance works. Treatment of deseases can be very > costly(depending on how serious a given desease is, duration and > complexity of treatment), a lot more than one could afford even if he'd > sum up all payments made during a 30 year period. > > Cyclical/regular accumulation of financial resources based on such > payments in turn allows to finance costly treatments of deseases which > always appear in a irregular/fluky manner. > > The difference is when such payment becomes legal duty. The motivation > behind this is that there'll always be able-bodied persons who will find > themselves in a difficult social situation not because of their own > fault or choice, and in that case such social system will protect them > so that they won't die on the street. Of course, on the other hand, you > have to share a bit of your luck in return for such social system. > > This is all simplified but you get the idea. > > > >> Q. Why should I listen to political lectures from twenty-somethings > > >> (or thirty-somethings for that matter)? > > > > > >Check my country of origin and you'll figure out the rest. > > > > I know your country of origin. How many countries have you traveled > > to in the last 30 years? I've worked on six continents (I don't really > > want to go to Antarctica). > > I've been to many countries, including a few states in the US. > > The question is, how many countries you have been to have had a regime > at least comparable to the regime present in former communist countries > during 1948-1989? For how long have you lived there? > > > Which leads right back to the original > > reason for all of this. > > One thing is for sure. You've never been to former czechoslovakia(before > 1989) and sweden. ;) > (I might be wrong of course but in such case your opinions would really > surprise me) > > Marek You guys want the Linux Audio OT Debate list. Look captialism sucks, communism sucks, life sucks, get a fscking helmet and pick you battles wisely.
