On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 02:50, tim hall wrote: > Last Sunday 12 December 2004 22:44, Marek Peteraj was like: > > On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 21:07, tim hall wrote: > > > Last Sunday 12 December 2004 18:57, Mark Knecht was like: > > > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:55:05 -0600, Jan Depner > > > > <eviltwin69@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 09:17, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:03:40 +0100, Esben Stien > > > > > > <executiv@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Frank Barknecht <fbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > > > > > > So basically they want to protect their investment in getting > > > > > > > > knowledge of how to implement a powerful firewire interface > > > > > > > > from the eyes of other hardware manufacturers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A society where you put money higher than cooperating with other > > > > > > > people is not a good society, in my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Socialism - it ain't pretty... > > > > > > > > > > Really. I was going to point out that that is exactly what Karl Marx > > > > > (or was that Groucho) said. You can see how well that worked out. > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > Groucho was a genius. Not so sure about Karl. > > > > > > > > Of course, I should have added that he has a right to his opinion, but > > > > so do I. I believe in patents, intellectual property, and the right of > > > > a corporation to deceptively market products to me in an attempt to > > > > get my money. I do not believe companies owe me anything, whether I've > > > > given them money or not, and Santa Claus. > > > > > > LOL! > > > If they've successfully conned you thus far, why stop at Santa Claws? > > > > > > Putting cooperation above money is a noble ideal, I actually fail to > > > understand why anyone would disagree with it. That's not to say we should > > > be naive about market forces, but there's no need to wheel out tired old > > > truisms in their defence. I do uphold your right to be horribly misled, > > > however. ;-) > > > > And 5 years ago you'd tell me that linux audio, alsa(a well designed > > driver infrastructure that is incorporated in the linux kernel), jack(a > > server that is able interconnect your favorite audio applications, > > letting audio flow from one app to the other at low latencies), ardour(a > > non-linear non-destructive audio editor that offers unlimited number of > > audio tracks, is able to handle plugins with latency compensation and > > offers automation including plugin parameter autiomation), > > linuxsampler(a sampler that is able to handle 100+ voices of >1Gb > > samples, although still in very alpha development phase), ... is truism. > > And 15 years ago you would tell me that something like linux is truism. > > > > C'mon guys, give me a break ;) > > A truism is something too obviously true, cliched or which repeats itself in > the making. Five years ago I'd have stared at you open mouthed if you'd told > me any of those things were possible. You misunderstood my point completely. > I had the feeling that everyone was joking, perhaps i was wrong? Let me try another one ;) People at RME will be scared if they see how much people talk about them not releasing specs. They will finally realise that there is a huge linux audio market.(in the meantime, we should at least learn how to change the subject lines ;). Marek
