Greetings: I'd like to put this thread in a coffin and drive in the last nail: USians opining about socialism is as ludicrous as USians opining about democracy. Now, if you wanna know about corporate plutocracies, *that* we can discuss better than anyone else on this planet. "You are a slave, Neo." Best, dp Shayne O'Connor wrote: >> That's not to say we should be >>naive about market forces, but there's no need to wheel out tired old truisms >>in their defence. I do uphold your right to be horribly misled, however. ;-) >> >> > >the basic, underlying flaw with capitalism and the "free" market is that >it cannot sustain itself - we will start to see this more and more as >governments privatise more and more social services and utilities ... >after all, there is only so much you can charge for, say, the price of a >phone call ... and once you've hit the ceiling of how much you can >charge, then there's only so far you can cut back your services .... >actually, someone should tell this to tesltra ... > >i love it when these lists get woefully off-topic :) > > > >