I always enjoy you're 'pre-coffee' messages the most! some very good comments here. thanks! - Mark On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 06:50, R Parker wrote: > I haven't read it either and probably won't. My > reaction is to put myself in the shoes of a > manufacturer. My response wouldn't positive or > possibly indifference. Maybe the campaign is being > presented in a positive way, I wouldn't know. > > > Anyway, I think one of the goals is to put pressure > > on the hardware makers to > > provide specs/drivers, which sounds like a good idea > > to me. > > At the age of 43, I've begun to notice that the > pressure method fails to get me what I want. I'm a > slow learner. :) "You will be my girlfriend, work a > full-time job, pay the bills and bare my children. I > will write songs. Is their anything you don't > understand?" > > I think persisting with requests is a good strategy. > Maybe our methods need to be sharpened up. We have > www.linuxaudio.org where part of the objective is to > deal with issues like this. > > >From the perspective of a manufacturer, we are not > interesting because our numbers aren't great enough to > return an investment or pay for ongoing costs. Our > argument is that we're a low cost, self sufficient > investment. > > I think we could select devices and find developers > who are willing to write the drivers. Then sell our > community and the developer to the manufacturers. From > any business perspective, we have almost nothing to > offer. I know that sounds harsh but it isn't all bad. > We can be honest, respectful and carefully ask for > help. > > <example_letter> > Dear Manufacturer, > > We are asking you to assist the linux audio community > by contributing item X. In return, we offer our > gratitude and the "pie-in-the-sky" promises of a > thriving young community. Our current accomplishments > include; alsa drivers for X, Y, and Z. The > applications that these devices are used with include > X, Y and Z. Demographic statistics for our community > can be found at www.linuxaudio.org. Upon recieving > device X, you can expect Developer X, resume attached, > to release a working linux driver by date X. > > As a rule, our community takes great pride in solving > all challanges at no cost to contributing > manufacturers and always fulfilling our agreements. > </> > > The demographic statistics must exist and should be > favorably presented; trends, etc. > > What hardware do we need, firewire stuff? > > OFF TOPIC NOISEY RAMBLE > Part of me is satisfied that linux audio does not > participate in consumorism that's being appealed to in > every trade magazine. On a personal level, the need to > consume is a veneer to mask any lack of discipline and > talent that's required to produce great music. Along > these lines, my current conondrum is whether or not to > upgrade my drum kit. > > I began to study drums about a year ago. I average > three hours of disciplined study every day. I focus on > applying rudiments to the kit. The objective is to > play every pattern bottom up or reversed to top down > and left side start or right side start. I have a > vision for the type of kit that would serve my > objective. I know it would be much better than the > typical layout that I have. To assemble it, will cost > another $1,000.00. When I explained it to a friend who > has been drumming for 30 years he laughed and replied, > "ohhhh now you're innovative but the truth is that > you're a dumbass." We both laughed. I am having so > much fun learning to play the drums, why ruin the > experience by do something stupid like spending money? > > Well, those are my rambling pre-coffee thoughts. > > ron "the anti-consumer" parker