Last Wednesday 11 August 2004 11:51, kmd was like: > I consider KDE more as > a desktop manager, not a window manager ;) Correct. Isn't KDE's WM called kwin? GNOME is also a DE - it uses a variety of WMs according to user preference. It's good to be clear about this, I know it confuses the hell out of people coming from monolithic OSs. cheers tim hall