Hello all - Aaron here again well I promised progress - well I went and read about RPM so I'd know what the hell it was, and now am applying patch. I've got Fernando's kernel and ALSA source, and I've put the patch in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES and edited the alsa driver spec file, adding that patch, (I had to manually create the redhat directory in /usr/src - it wasn't there and rpm wouldn't create it and following directions on http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/recompilealsa.html but I'm getting this wonderful thing: bash: rpmbuild: command not found that was quite unexpected. I'm sure I'll figure this out eventually but I thought it'd be smarter and faster to ask - what is happening? do I have a partial RPM in my system? # rpm --version gives me: RPM version 4.2 well thanks - cya on the flipside! -- -------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit www.nquit.com --------------