> Tim, try leaving off the .pd_linux extension (as per my example)... ah! ok, sorry i assumed it was named differently on your system. progess....but now i get: #pd -verbose -lib /usr/bin/k_vst~ -open davep.pd; Pd version 0.36-0 compiled 15:51:19 Sep 15 2003 [...] tried /usr/bin/k_vst~.pd_linux and succeeded /usr/bin/k_vst~.pd_linux: /usr/bin/k_vst~.pd_linux: undefined symbol: VSTLIB_new /usr/bin/k_vst~: can't load library :-) -- Tim Orford