> but if linux on desktop doesn't accomplish freebsd on desktop > then we didn't really get anywhere. I disagree. The resources of free software developers are finite, and yet the potential demand from users for diverse (and therefore difficult to support) configurations is great. The reason that Linux audio is becoming successful is that a number of developers have standardised their work around that kernel. Imagine if everyone on this list ran a different system, maybe Hurd or Darwin based - progress would be very hard. The only free software system with a chance of breaking into the mainstream desktop market is a Linux based one, and that's by no means assured. So I see no point in supporting any other kernel for the time being. Of course, some people don't care about the bigger picture, and are quite happy to use an operating system to their individual taste while 99% of the desktop market remains proprietary. The problem is that the dominance of the 99% can mean the free operating systems are prevented from running on the next generation of hardware somehow. Cheers Daniel