Larry, Sorry, I should have used the term record instead of rip. The rest is still relevant though. If I can hear it, I can steal it. Conversely, if I can't hear it, I'll return it to the store. DRM for audio (and probably video) is a lost cause. Jan On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 21:03, Larry Troxler wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:06, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > Just had to put my 2 cents in here. So, I go and buy the CD - it > > > > won't rip or play on my computer - I slap it in my decent CD player > > > > (with analog outs to my DSP2000) - I record it at 16/44.1 - I encode it > > > > in ogg - I post that on the web somewhere. Now, question for the > > > > student, how much worse is my ogg copy than a ripped and encoded ogg > > > > copy? If you're willing to settle for mp3 then this is just as > > > > acceptable and it can't be stopped. From what I gather from most of my > > > > reading up on sound cards, most of them go from digital to analog and > > > > then back when you rip anyway. Is the connection from your cd player > > > > to your sound card digital? It is on my system but I don't think it is > > > > on most of the cheaper ones. > > Hi, I'm sorry that I don't have Jan's original message still handy to reply > to, but reading this leaves me very confused about how the ripping process > works. > > For example, from the Cdparanio doc: > > "Cdparanoia is a Compact Disc Digital Audio (CDDA) extraction tool, commonly > known on the net as a 'ripper'. The application is built on top of the > Paranoia library, which is doing the real work (the Paranoia source is > included in the cdparanoia source distribution). Like the original cdda2wav, > cdparanoia package reads audio from the CDROM directly as data, with no > analog step between, and writes the data to a file or pipe in WAV, AIFC or > raw 16 bit linear PCM." > > So clearly this is strictly digital process. What you're describing sounds > more like simply playing a CD in audio mode in your CD rom drive and > recording via the analog connection to the sound card. > > Either I'm in the twilight zone (cursing myself that I don't get the sci-fi > channel for the tz marathon this weekend) or there's two different meanings > to the phrase "rip a cd". > > What's the story here? > > Larry Troxler > > >