Just had to put my 2 cents in here. So, I go and buy the CD - it won't rip or play on my computer - I slap it in my decent CD player (with analog outs to my DSP2000) - I record it at 16/44.1 - I encode it in ogg - I post that on the web somewhere. Now, question for the student, how much worse is my ogg copy than a ripped and encoded ogg copy? If you're willing to settle for mp3 then this is just as acceptable and it can't be stopped. From what I gather from most of my reading up on sound cards, most of them go from digital to analog and then back when you rip anyway. Is the connection from your cd player to your sound card digital? It is on my system but I don't think it is on most of the cheaper ones. All this type of copy protection does is to give you a crappy CD to start with. Your best bet is to write a long lovely fan letter to the band telling them that you won't buy anymore garbage - especially not at US $17.99. BTW, the above was just an example. I agree with Mark K. I don't download any music that isn't free and legal. Jan On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 16:01, Steve Harris wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:15:23PM +0100, Daniel James wrote: > > If you're talking about musicians getting paid properly - a decent, > > sustainable income that's proportional to their effort and talent - > > then I couldn't agree more. However, the music business doesn't have > > a great history on that front... > > I wrote a rambling reply about very cheap (and Free) tools alowing the > bedroom studio to be a useful thing, lessening the grip of big labels on > musicians then realised it was obvious / noone cares ;) dG > > Horay for cheap audio hardware > > Some of my favourite musicians can afford to burn CDs and give away mp3's > at cost, they dont want to make any money, just noise. > > I dont resent anyones desire to make a living form music, but lots of > people can now produce music wihtou it bankrupting them or having to sell > thier souls to conglomerate record labels. > > - Steve