hi everyone! this list has been very busy lately with off-topic exchanges on linux (and windows!) applications and their respective advocacy in general. the off-topic traffic seems to be drowning the audio-related discussions. i don't really mind and it's not up to me do decide, but i'd like to ask you to consider all the folks out there with crammed inboxes who thought they were subscribing to an audio list ;) in any case, the discussions (whether on-topic or not) show what a nice place lau has become, and how much people like to hang out and just chat about anything. ;) take my comment as a suggestion only, if you feel you need to reply, consider to do it in private mail, and for a quick chat about not-so-on-topic things with your linux audio pals, try #lad at freenode.org. (and come to karlsruhe and to linuxconf.au and to linuxtag next year, of course!) all the best, j?rn -- Happy Birthday, Professor ! Noam Chomsky, born Dec 7, 1928 J?rn Nettingsmeier Kurf?rstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server) http://www.linuxaudiodev.org (Linux Audio Developers)