On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:49:04PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote: > On Apr 14, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:05:29AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:37:06PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote: > >>> This patch set adds support for SMP boot on the MSM8x16 family of Qualcomm SoCs. > >>> > >>> To support SMP on the MSM8x16 SoCs we need to add ARMv8/64-bit SCM interfaces to > >>> setup the boot/release addresses for the secondary CPUs. In addition we need > >>> a uniquie set of cpu ops. I'm aware the desired methods for booting secondary > >>> CPUs is either via spintable or PSCI. However, these SoCs are shipping with a > >>> firmware that does not support those methods. > >> > >> And the reason is? Some guesses: > >> > >> a) QC doesn't think boot interface (and cpuidle) standardisation is > >> worth the effort (to put it nicely) > >> b) The hardware was available before we even mentioned PSCI > >> c) PSCI is not suitable for the QC's SCM interface > >> d) Any combination of the above > >> > >> I strongly suspect it's point (a). Should we expect future QC hardware > >> to do the same? > >> > >> You could argue the reason was (b), though we've been discussing PSCI > >> for at least two years and, according to QC press releases, MSM8916 > >> started sampling in 2014. > >> > >> The only valid reason is (c) and if that's the case, I would expect a > >> proposal for a new firmware interface protocol (it could be PSCI-based), > >> well documented, that can be shared with others that may encounter the > >> same shortcomings. > > > > There's no need to even fork PSCI. The PSCI specification will evolve > > over time as vendors request changes and we try to accomodate them. > > > > If there's something that PSCI doesn't do that you need it to, contact > > ARM. Other vendors already have. Mostly yes but there may be valid reasons for not being able to use PSCI. The spin-table method is still a firmware interface, though not necessarily secure (a.k.a. SMC-based). The ACPI parking protocol is another and, who knows, maybe we define a way to park CPUs back to firmware without SMC calls (when EL3 is not available). > But what is someone to do between the period of getting PSCI spec > updated and needing to ship a product with firmware? > > The take still sounds like if you don’t implement an exact version of > PSCI you are screwed from being supported in the upstream ARM64 > kernel. These are silly arguments. There is a big difference between "we couldn't get the firmware implementing the standard for the early silicon but we are working on fixing it for future revisions" vs. "we don't give a s**t about these standards, the kernel must be inclusive". So please make up your mind on which direction you want to pursue. -- Catalin -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-arm-msm" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
