Re: [PATCH 16/23] sched: Use lightweight hazard pointers to grab lazy mms

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On Sun, 2022-01-09 at 11:34 -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 2022-01-09 at 00:49 -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
> > > 
> > > It is possible for instance to get rid of is_lazy, keep the CPU
> > > on mm_cpumask when switching to kernel thread, and then if/when
> > > an IPI is received remove it from cpumask to avoid further
> > > unnecessary TLB shootdown IPIs.
> > > 
> > > I do not know whether it is a pure win, but there is a tradeoff.
> > 
> > That's not a win at all. It is what we used to have before
> > the lazy mm stuff was re-introduced, and it led to quite a
> > few unnecessary IPIs, which are especially slow on virtual
> > machines, where the target CPU may not be running.
> 
> You make a good point about VMs.
> 
> IIUC Lazy-TLB serves several goals:
> 
> 1. Avoid arch address-space switch to save switching time and
>    TLB misses.
> 2. Prevent unnecessary IPIs while kernel threads run.
> 3. Avoid cache-contention on mm_cpumask when switching to a kernel
>    thread.
> 
> Your concern is with (2), and this one is easy to keep regardless
> of the rest.
> 
> I am not sure that (3) is actually helpful, since it might lead
> to more cache activity than without lazy-TLB, but that is somewhat
> orthogonal to everything else.

I have seen problems with (3) in practice, too.

For many workloads, context switching is much, much more
of a hot path than TLB shootdowns, which are relatively
infrequent by comparison.

Basically ASID took away only the first concern from your
list above, not the other two.

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