* Thiago Macieira: > On 23 Jun 2021 17:04:27 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> We have an interface in glibc to query CPU features: >> X86-specific Facilities >> <https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/X86.html> >> >> CPU_FEATURE_USABLE all preconditions for a feature are met, >> HAS_CPU_FEATURE means it's in silicon but possibly dormant. >> CPU_FEATURE_USABLE is supposed to look at XCR0, AT_HWCAP2 etc. before >> enabling the relevant bit (so it cannot pass through any unknown bits). > > It's a nice initiative, but it doesn't help library and applications that need > to be either cross-platform or backwards compatible. > > The first problem is the cross-platformness need. Because we library and > application developers need to support other OSes, we'll need to deploy our > own CPUID-based detection. It's far better to use common code everywhere, > where one developer working on Linux can fix bugs in FreeBSD, macOS or Windows > or any of the permutations. Every platform-specific deviation adds to > maintenance requirements and is a source of potential latent bugs, now or in > the future due to refactoring. That is why doing everything in the form of > instructions would be far better and easier, rather than system calls. I must say this is a rather application-specific view. Sure, you get consistency within the application across different targets, but for those who work on multiple applications (but perhaps on a single distribution/OS), things are very inconsistent. And the reason why I started this is that CPUID-based feature detection is dead anyway (assuming the kernel developers do not implement lazy initialization of the AMX state). CPUID (and ancillary data such as XCR0) will say that AMX support is there, but it will not work unless some (yet to decided) steps are executed by the userspace thread. While I consider the CPUID-based model a success (and the cross-OS consistency may have contributed to that), its days seem to be over. > [Unless said system calls were standardised and actually > deployed. Making this a cross-platform library that is not part of > libc would be a major step in that direction] That won't help with AMX, as far as I can tell. Thanks, Florian
