Re: [PATCH v18 0/9] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas

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Στις 2021-05-06 20:05, James Bottomley έγραψε:
On Thu, 2021-05-06 at 18:45 +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:

Also, there is a way to still read that memory when root by

1. Having kdump active (which would often be the case, but maybe not
to dump user pages )
2. Triggering a kernel crash (easy via proc as root)
3. Waiting for the reboot after kump() created the dump and then
reading the content from disk.

Anything that can leave physical memory intact but boot to a kernel
where the missing direct map entry is restored could theoretically
extract the secret.  However, it's not exactly going to be a stealthy
extraction ...

Or, as an attacker, load a custom kexec() kernel and read memory
from the new environment. Of course, the latter two are advanced
mechanisms, but they are possible when root. We might be able to
mitigate, for example, by zeroing out secretmem pages before booting
into the kexec kernel, if we care :)

I think we could handle it by marking the region, yes, and a zero on
shutdown might be useful ... it would prevent all warm reboot type
attacks.


I had similar concerns about recovering secrets with kdump, and considered cleaning up keyrings before jumping to the new kernel. The problem is we can't provide guarantees in that case, once the kernel has crashed and we are on our way to run crashkernel, we can't be sure we can reliably zero-out anything, the more code we add to that path the more risky it gets. However during reboot/normal kexec() we should do some cleanup, it makes sense and secretmem can indeed be useful in that case. Regarding loading custom kexec() kernels, we mitigate this with the kexec file-based API where we can verify the signature of the loaded kimage (assuming the system runs a kernel provided by a trusted 3rd party and we 've maintained a chain of trust since booting).



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