Hi Alan, Just a minor nit in the litmus test. On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 09:22:12 -0400, Alan Stern wrote: > To expand on my statement about the LKMM's weakness regarding control > constructs, here is a litmus test to illustrate the issue. You might > want to add this to one of the archives. > > Alan > > C crypto-control-data > (* > * LB plus crypto-control-data plus data > * > * Expected result: allowed > * > * This is an example of OOTA and we would like it to be forbidden. > * The WRITE_ONCE in P0 is both data-dependent and (at the hardware level) > * control-dependent on the preceding READ_ONCE. But the dependencies are > * hidden by the form of the conditional control construct, hence the > * name "crypto-control-data". The memory model doesn't recognize them. > *) > > {} > > P0(int *x, int *y) > { > int r1; > > r1 = 1; > if (READ_ONCE(*x) == 0) > r1 = 0; > WRITE_ONCE(*y, r1); > } > > P1(int *x, int *y) > { > WRITE_ONCE(*x, READ_ONCE(*y)); Looks like this one-liner doesn't provide data-dependency of y -> x on herd7. When I changed P1 to P1(int *x, int *y) { int r1; r1 = READ_ONCE(*y); WRITE_ONCE(*x, r1); } and replaced the WRITE_ONCE() in P0 with smp_store_release(), I got the result of: ----- Test crypto-control-data Allowed States 1 0:r1=0; No Witnesses Positive: 0 Negative: 3 Condition exists (0:r1=1) Observation crypto-control-data Never 0 3 Time crypto-control-data 0.01 Hash=9b9aebbaf945dad8183d2be0ccb88e11 ----- Restoring the WRITE_ONCE() in P0, I got the result of: ----- Test crypto-control-data Allowed States 2 0:r1=0; 0:r1=1; Ok Witnesses Positive: 1 Negative: 4 Condition exists (0:r1=1) Observation crypto-control-data Sometimes 1 4 Time crypto-control-data 0.01 Hash=843eaa4974cec0efae79ce3cb73a1278 ----- As this is the same as the expected result, I suppose you have missed another limitation of herd7 + LKMM. By the way, I think this weakness on control dependency + data dependency deserves an entry in tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt. In the LIMITATIONS section, item #1 mentions some situation where LKMM may not recognize possible losses of control-dependencies by compiler optimizations. What this litmus test demonstrates is a different class of mismatch. Alan, can you come up with an update in this regard? Thanks, Akira > } > > exists (0:r1=1) >