----- On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Alan Stern stern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >> > I agree with Nick: A memory barrier is needed somewhere between the >> > assignment at 6 and the return to user mode at 8. Otherwise you end up >> > with the Store Buffer pattern having a memory barrier on only one side, >> > and it is well known that this arrangement does not guarantee any >> > ordering. >> >> Yes, I see this now. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the memory >> barrier at the end of membarrier() needs to be paired with a scheduler >> barrier though. > > The memory barrier at the end of membarrier() on CPU0 is necessary in > order to enforce the guarantee that any writes occurring on CPU1 before > the membarrier() is executed will be visible to any code executing on > CPU0 after the membarrier(). Ignoring the kthread issue, we can have: > > CPU0 CPU1 > x = 1 > barrier() > y = 1 > r2 = y > membarrier(): > a: smp_mb() > b: send IPI IPI-induced mb > c: smp_mb() > r1 = x > > The writes to x and y are unordered by the hardware, so it's possible to > have r2 = 1 even though the write to x doesn't execute until b. If the > memory barrier at c is omitted then "r1 = x" can be reordered before b > (although not before a), so we get r1 = 0. This violates the guarantee > that membarrier() is supposed to provide. > > The timing of the memory barrier at c has to ensure that it executes > after the IPI-induced memory barrier on CPU1. If it happened before > then we could still end up with r1 = 0. That's why the pairing matters. > > I hope this helps your head get properly wrapped. :-) It does help a bit! ;-) This explains this part of the comment near the smp_mb at the end of membarrier: * Memory barrier on the caller thread _after_ we finished * waiting for the last IPI. [...] However, it does not explain why it needs to be paired with a barrier in the scheduler, clearly for the case where the IPI is skipped. I wonder whether this part of the comment is factually correct: * [...] Matches memory barriers around rq->curr modification in scheduler. Thanks, Mathieu -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. http://www.efficios.com