On 09/20/2018 06:10 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote: > On 9/20/2018 5:45 PM, Kees Cook wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Casey Schaufler <casey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 9/20/2018 9:23 AM, Kees Cook wrote: >>>> config LSM_ORDER >>>> string "Default initialization order of builtin LSMs" >>>> - default "yama,loadpin,integrity" >>>> + default "yama,loadpin,integrity,selinux,smack,tomoyo,apparmor" >>> If I want to compile all the major modules into my kernel and use >>> AppArmor by default would I use >>> >>> default "yama,loadpin,integrity,apparmor,selinux,smack,tomoyo" >>> >>> or >>> >>> default "yama,loadpin,integrity,apparmor" >> I was expecting the former, but the latter will have the same result. t find having the two be equivalent violates expectations. At least when considering the end goal of full/extreme stacking, its trivially the same with current major lsms being exclusive >> >>> When we have "blob-sharing" how could I compile in tomoyo, >>> but exclude it without a boot line option? >> Ooh, yes, this series has no way to do that. Perhaps >> CONFIG_LSM_DISABLE in the same form as CONFIG_LSM_ORDER? I would >> totally remove LoadPin's CONFIG for this in favor it. > > I would generally prefer an optional CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE to > CONFIG_LSM_DISABLE, but I understand the logic behind your > approach. I would be looking for something like > +1 on the CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE ove DISABLE > CONFIG LSM_ENABLE > string "Default set of enabled LSMs" > default "" > > as opposed to > > CONFIG LSM_DISABLE > string "Default set of disabled LSMs" > default "" > > where an empty string is interpreted as "use 'em all" > in either case. > >>> When we have full stacking, how could I compile in selinux >>> but exclude it? >> Yup, same problem. Same suggested solution? >> >> Should lsm.enable/disable= also become a comma-separated list, or >> should I leave it as a multi-instance thing like I have it? > > I prefer the multi-instance > lsm.disable=selinux lsm.disable=yama > to the list > lsm.disable=selinux,yama > > but at this point I don't really care all that much. > the comma separated list however is consistent with what is being done for default order