Not having received any responses to the question about usages of RCtso locks, I have decided to post the newly updated version of the patch description for commit c8c5779c854f ("tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire") in Paul's LKMM branch. There are no changes to the patch itself. Hopefully this includes all the important issues that people have raised. (Admittedly, some parts of the discussion have seemed less consequential than others, and some parts I didn't understand at all.) Alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- More than one kernel developer has expressed the opinion that the LKMM should enforce ordering of writes by locking. In other words, given the following code: WRITE_ONCE(x, 1); spin_unlock(&s): spin_lock(&s); WRITE_ONCE(y, 1); the stores to x and y should be propagated in order to all other CPUs, even though those other CPUs might not access the lock s. In terms of the memory model, this means expanding the cumul-fence relation. Locks should also provide read-read (and read-write) ordering in a similar way. Given: READ_ONCE(x); spin_unlock(&s); spin_lock(&s); READ_ONCE(y); // or WRITE_ONCE(y, 1); the load of x should be executed before the load of (or store to) y. The LKMM already provides this ordering, but it provides it even in the case where the two accesses are separated by a release/acquire pair of fences rather than unlock/lock. This would prevent architectures from using weakly ordered implementations of release and acquire, which seems like an unnecessary restriction. The patch therefore removes the ordering requirement from the LKMM for that case. There are several arguments both for and against this change. Let us refer to these enhanced ordering properties by saying that the LKMM would require locks to be RCtso (a bit of a misnomer, but analogous to RCpc and RCsc) and it would require ordinary acquire/release only to be RCpc. (Note: In the following, the phrase "all supported architectures" does not include RISC-V, which is still somewhat in a state of flux.) Pros: The kernel already provides RCtso ordering for locks on all supported architectures, even though this is not stated explicitly anywhere. Therefore the LKMM should formalize it. In theory, guaranteeing RCtso ordering would reduce the need for additional barrier-like constructs meant to increase the ordering strength of locks. Will Deacon and Peter Zijlstra are strongly in favor of formalizing the RCtso requirement. Linus Torvalds and Will would like to go even further, requiring locks to have RCsc behavior (ordering preceding writes against later reads), but they recognize that this would incur a noticeable performance degradation on the POWER architecture. Linus also points out that people have made the mistake, in the past, of assuming that locking has stronger ordering properties than is currently guaranteed, and this change would reduce the likelihood of such mistakes. Cons: Andrea Parri and Luc Maranget feel that locks should have the same ordering properties as ordinary acquire/release (indeed, Luc points out that the names "acquire" and "release" derive from the usage of locks) and that having different ordering properties for different forms of acquires and releases would be confusing and unmaintainable. Will and Linus, on the other hand, feel that architectures should be free to implement ordinary acquire/release using relatively weak RCpc machine instructions. Linus points out that locks should be easy for people to use without worrying about memory consistency issues, since they are so pervasive in the kernel, whereas acquire/release is much more of an "expertss only" tool. Locks are constructed from lower-level primitives, typically RMW-acquire (for locking) and ordinary release (for unlock). It is illogical to require stronger ordering properties from the high-level operations than from the low-level operations they comprise. Thus, this change would make while (cmpxchg_acquire(&s, 0, 1) != 0) cpu_relax(); an incorrect implementation of spin_lock(&s). In theory this weakness can be ameliorated by changing the LKMM even further, requiring RMW-acquire/release also to be RCtso (which it already is on all supported architectures). As far as I know, nobody has singled out any examples of code in the kernel that actually relies on locks being RCtso. (People mumble about RCU and the scheduler, but nobody has pointed to any actual code. If there are any real cases, their number is likely quite small.) If RCtso ordering is not needed, why require it? A handful of locking constructs (qspinlocks, qrwlocks, and mcs_spinlocks) are built on top of smp_cond_load_acquire() instead of an RMW-acquire instruction. It currently provides only the ordinary acquire semantics, not the stronger ordering this patch would require of locks. In theory this could be ameliorated by requiring smp_cond_load_acquire() in combination with ordinary release also to be RCtso (which is currently true in all supported architectures). On future weakly ordered architectures, people may be able to implement locks in a non-RCtso fashion with significant performance improvement. Meeting the RCtso requirement would necessarily add run-time overhead. Overall, the technical aspects of these arguments seem relatively minor, and it appears mostly to boil down to a matter of opinion. Since the opinions of long-time kernel developers such as Linus, Peter, and Will carry more weight than those of Luc and Andrea, this patch changes the model in accordance with the developers' wishes. Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> --- v.4: Added pros and cons discussion to the Changelog. v.3: Rebased against the dev branch of Paul's linux-rcu tree. Changed unlock-rf-lock-po to po-unlock-rf-lock-po, making it more symmetrical and more in accordance with the use of fence.tso for the release on RISC-V. v.2: Restrict the ordering to lock operations, not general release and acquire fences.