* Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 10:35:43AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > * Manfred Spraul <manfred@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > Hi Ingo, > > > > > > On 07/07/2017 10:31 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > > > > > There's another, probably just as significant advantage: queued_spin_unlock_wait() > > > > is 'read-only', while spin_lock()+spin_unlock() dirties the lock cache line. On > > > > any bigger system this should make a very measurable difference - if > > > > spin_unlock_wait() is ever used in a performance critical code path. > > > At least for ipc/sem: > > > Dirtying the cacheline (in the slow path) allows to remove a smp_mb() in the > > > hot path. > > > So for sem_lock(), I either need a primitive that dirties the cacheline or > > > sem_lock() must continue to use spin_lock()/spin_unlock(). > > > > Technically you could use spin_trylock()+spin_unlock() and avoid the lock acquire > > spinning on spin_unlock() and get very close to the slow path performance of a > > pure cacheline-dirtying behavior. > > > > But adding something like spin_barrier(), which purely dirties the lock cacheline, > > would be even faster, right? > > Interestingly enough, the arm64 and powerpc implementations of > spin_unlock_wait() were very close to what it sounds like you are > describing. So could we perhaps solve all our problems by defining the generic version thusly: void spin_unlock_wait(spinlock_t *lock) { if (spin_trylock(lock)) spin_unlock(lock); } ... and perhaps rename it to spin_barrier() [or whatever proper name there would be]? Architectures can still optimize it, to remove the small window where the lock is held locally - as long as the ordering is at least as strong as the generic version. This would have various advantages: - semantics are well-defined - the generic implementation is already pretty well optimized (no spinning) - it would make it usable for the IPC performance optimization - architectures could still optimize it to eliminate the window where the lock is held locally - if there's such instructions available. Was this proposed before, or am I missing something? Thanks, Ingo