On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:40:02AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Here's an initial rough hack at removing modversions. It gives an idea > > of the complexity we're carrying for this feature (keeping in mind most > > of the lines removed are generated parser). > > You definitely don't have to try to convince me. We've had many issues > with modversions over the years. This was just the "last drop" as far > as I'm concerned, we've had random odd crc generation failures due to > some build races too. > > > In its place I just added a simple config option to override vermagic > > so distros can manage it entirely themselves. > > So at least Fedora doesn't even enable CONFIG_MODVERSIONS as-is. I'm > _hoping_ it's just Debian that wants this, and we'd need to get some > input from the Debian people whether that "control vermagic" is > sufficient? I suspect it isn't, but I can't come up with any simple > alternate model either.. Oddly, I just posted a patch to enable this for Fedora and then someone pointed me at this thread. :-/ Sorry for chiming in late, but yes RHEL is a big user of MODVERSIONS for our kabi protection work. Despite our best intentions we still have lots of partners and customers that provide value-add out-of-tree drivers to their customers. These module builders requested we have a mechanism to allow rolling modules forward for each of our minor RHEL updates without breaking their drivers. They requested this to save time and money on rebuilding and retesting. It also helps deal with situations where RHEL puts out a security fix or new minor release and the provider of OOT driver has not released the appropriate update. Customers like the ability to roll their special drivers forward quickly to their schedule. Now we don't protect every symbol, just a select few that our meets our customers needs (and developers willing to support it). Anyway, MODVERSIONS is our way of protecting our kabi for the last 10 years. It isn't perfect and we have fixed the genksyms tool over the years, but so far it mostly works fine. I am not sure what 'control vermagic' is, but it sounds like a string check, which won't protect against the boatload of backports we do to structs, enums, and functions. Currently we are exploring various ways to get smarter here. The genksyms tool has its limitations and handling kabi hacks in RHEL is getting tiresome. I think GregKH pointed to one such tool, libabigail? We are working on others too. Circling back to enabling MODVERSIONS in Fedora, that was to start the process of syncing Fedora with RHEL stuff in preparation for smarter tools. If you take away MODVERSIONS, that would put a damper in our work, but easily carried privately (much like MODSIGNING for 8 years until it went upstream :-) ). We would prefer to work with various folks to figure out a better solution to solve our/others needs. Anyone interested in working with Red Hat should contact Stanislav Kozina (skozina@xxxxxxxxxx) (cc'd above) and cc myself. Cheers, Don > > I'm also somewhat surprised that it's Debian that has this problem, > considering how Debian is usually the distro that is _least_ receptive > to various non-free binaries. > > Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-arch" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
