> > This is what happened on our side (very recent kernel): > > > > spin_lock(&lock) > > copy_to_user(...) > > spin_unlock(&lock) > > That's a deadlock even without copy_to_user - it's > enough for the thread to be preempted and another one > to try taking the lock. > > > > 1. s390 locks/unlocks a spin lock with a compare and swap, using the _cpu id_ > > as "old value" > > 2. we slept during copy_to_user() > > 3. the thread got scheduled onto another cpu > > 4. spin_unlock failed as the _cpu id_ didn't match (another cpu that locked > > the spinlock tried to unlocked it). > > 5. lock remained locked -> deadlock > > > > Christian came up with the following explanation: > > Without preemption, spin_lock() will not touch the preempt counter. > > disable_pfault() will always touch it. > > > > Therefore, with preemption disabled, copy_to_user() has no idea that it is > > running in atomic context - and will therefore try to sleep. > > > > So copy_to_user() will on s390: > > 1. run "as atomic" while spin_lock() with preemption enabled. > > 2. run "as not atomic" while spin_lock() with preemption disabled. > > 3. run "as atomic" while pagefault_disabled() with preemption enabled or > > disabled. > > 4. run "as not atomic" when really not atomic. should have been more clear at that point: preemption enabled == kernel compiled with preemption support preemption disabled == kernel compiled without preemption support > > > > And exactly nr 2. is the thing that produced the deadlock in our scenario and > > the reason why I want a might_sleep() :) > > IMHO it's not copy to user that causes the problem. > It's the misuse of spinlocks with preemption on. As I said, preemption was off. > > So might_sleep would make you think copy_to_user is > the problem, and e.g. let you paper over it by > moving copy_to_user out. Actually implementing different way of locking easily fixed the problem for us. The old might_sleep() checks would have given us the problem within a few seconds (I tested it). > > Enable lock prover and you will see what the real > issue is, which is you didn't disable preempt. > and if you did, copy_to_user would be okay. > Our kernel is compiled without preemption and we turned on all lock/atomic sleep debugging aid. No problem was detected. ---- But the question is if we shouldn't rather provide a: copy_to_user_nosleep() implementation that can be called from pagefault_disable() because it won't sleep. and a copy_to_user_sleep() implementation that cannot be called from pagefault_disable(). Another way to fix it would be a reworked pagefault_disable() function that somehow sets "a flag", so copy_to_user() knows that it is in fact called from a valid context, not just from "some atomic" context. So we could trigger might_sleep() when detecting a !pagefault_disable context. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-arch" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html