On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Torvald Riegel <triegel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Which example do you have in mind here? Haven't we resolved all the > debated examples, or did I miss any? Well, Paul seems to still think that the standard possibly allows speculative writes or possibly value speculation in ways that break the hardware-guaranteed orderings. And personally, I can't read standards paperwork. It is invariably written in some basically impossible-to-understand lawyeristic mode, and then it is read by people (compiler writers) that intentionally try to mis-use the words and do language-lawyering ("that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"). The whole "lvalue vs rvalue expression vs 'what is a volatile access'" thing for C++ was/is a great example of that. So quite frankly, as a result I refuse to have anything to do with the process directly. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-arch" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html