>>> -static inline bool can_follow_write_pte(pte_t pte, unsigned int flags) >>> +static inline bool can_follow_write(pte_t pte, unsigned int flags, >>> + struct vm_area_struct *vma) >>> { >>> - return pte_write(pte) || >>> - ((flags & FOLL_FORCE) && (flags & FOLL_COW) && pte_dirty(pte)); >>> + if (!is_shstk_mapping(vma->vm_flags)) { >>> + if (pte_write(pte)) >>> + return true; >> Let me see if I can say this another way. >> >> The bigger issue is that these patches change the semantics of >> pte_write(). Before these patches, it meant that you *MUST* have this >> bit set to write to the page controlled by the PTE. Now, it means: you >> can write if this bit is set *OR* the shadowstack bit combination is set. > > Here, we only figure out (1) if the page is pointed by a writable PTE; or > (2) if the page is pointed by a RO PTE (data or SHSTK) and it has been > copied and it still exists. We are not trying to > determine if the > SHSTK PTE is writable (we know it is not). Please think about the big picture. I'm not just talking about this patch, but about every use of pte_write() in the kernel. >> That's the fundamental problem. We need some code in the kernel that >> logically represents the concept of "is this PTE a shadowstack PTE or a >> PTE with the write bit set", and we will call that pte_write(), or maybe >> pte_writable(). >> >> You *have* to somehow rectify this situation. We can absolutely no >> leave pte_write() in its current, ambiguous state where it has no real >> meaning or where it is used to mean _both_ things depending on context. > > True, the processor can always write to a page through a shadow stack > PTE, but it must do that with a CALL instruction. Can we define a > write operation as: MOV r1, *(r2). Then we don't have any doubt on > pte_write() any more. No, we can't just move the target. :) You can define it this way, but then you also need to go to every spot in the kernel that calls pte_write() (and _PAGE_RW in fact) and audit it to ensure it means "mov ..." and not push. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html