On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 02:50:01PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri 27-10-17 12:08:34, Jan Kara wrote: > >> On Fri 27-10-17 08:16:11, Dave Chinner wrote: > >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 05:48:04PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote: > >> > > > > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c b/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c > >> > > > > index f179bdf1644d..b43be199fbdf 100644 > >> > > > > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c > >> > > > > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_iomap.c > >> > > > > @@ -33,6 +33,7 @@ > >> > > > > #include "xfs_error.h" > >> > > > > #include "xfs_trans.h" > >> > > > > #include "xfs_trans_space.h" > >> > > > > +#include "xfs_inode_item.h" > >> > > > > #include "xfs_iomap.h" > >> > > > > #include "xfs_trace.h" > >> > > > > #include "xfs_icache.h" > >> > > > > @@ -1086,6 +1087,10 @@ xfs_file_iomap_begin( > >> > > > > trace_xfs_iomap_found(ip, offset, length, 0, &imap); > >> > > > > } > >> > > > > > >> > > > > + if ((flags & IOMAP_WRITE) && xfs_ipincount(ip) && > >> > > > > + (ip->i_itemp->ili_fsync_fields & ~XFS_ILOG_TIMESTAMP)) > >> > > > > + iomap->flags |= IOMAP_F_DIRTY; > >> > > > > >> > > > This is the very definition of an inode that is "fdatasync dirty". > >> > > > > >> > > > Hmmmm, shouldn't this also be set for read faults, too? > >> > > > >> > > No, read faults don't need to set IOMAP_F_DIRTY since user cannot write any > >> > > data to the page which he'd then like to be persistent. The only reason why > >> > > I thought it could be useful for a while was that it would be nice to make > >> > > MAP_SYNC mapping provide the guarantee that data you see now is the data > >> > > you'll see after a crash > >> > > >> > Isn't that the entire point of MAP_SYNC? i.e. That when we return > >> > from a page fault, the app knows that the data and it's underlying > >> > extent is on persistent storage? > >> > > >> > > but we cannot provide that guarantee for RO > >> > > mapping anyway if someone else has the page mapped as well. So I just > >> > > decided not to return IOMAP_F_DIRTY for read faults. > >> > > >> > If there are multiple MAP_SYNC mappings to the inode, I would have > >> > expected that they all sync all of the data/metadata on every page > >> > fault, regardless of who dirtied the inode. An RO mapping doesn't > >> > >> Well, they all do sync regardless of who dirtied the inode on every *write* > >> fault. > >> > >> > mean the data/metadata on the inode can't change, it just means it > >> > can't change through that mapping. Running fsync() to guarantee the > >> > persistence of that data/metadata doesn't actually changing any > >> > data.... > >> > > >> > IOWs, if read faults don't guarantee the mapped range has stable > >> > extents on a MAP_SYNC mapping, then I think MAP_SYNC is broken > >> > because it's not giving consistent guarantees to userspace. Yes, it > >> > works fine when only one MAP_SYNC mapping is modifying the inode, > >> > but the moment we have concurrent operations on the inode that > >> > aren't MAP_SYNC or O_SYNC this goes out the window.... > >> > >> MAP_SYNC as I've implemented it provides guarantees only for data the > >> process has actually written. I agree with that and it was a conscious > >> decision. In my opinion that covers most usecases, provides reasonably > >> simple semantics (i.e., if you write data through MAP_SYNC mapping, you can > >> persist it just using CPU instructions), and reasonable performance. > >> > >> Now you seem to suggest the semantics should be: "Data you have read from or > >> written to a MAP_SYNC mapping can be persisted using CPU instructions." And > >> from implementation POV we can do that rather easily (just rip out the > >> IOMAP_WRITE checks). But I'm unsure whether this additional guarantee would > >> be useful enough to justify the slowdown of read faults? I was not able to > >> come up with a good usecase and so I've decided for current semantics. What > >> do other people think? > > > > Nobody commented on this for couple of days so how do we proceed? I would > > prefer to go just with a guarantee for data written and we can always make > > the guarantee stronger (i.e. apply it also for read data) when some user > > comes with a good usecase? > > I think it is easier to strengthen the guarantee than loosen it later > especially since it is not yet clear that we have a use case for the > stronger semantic. At least the initial motivation for MAP_SYNC was > for writers. I agree. It seems like all threads/processes in a given application need to use MAP_SYNC consistently so they can be sure that data that is written (and then possibly read) will be durable on media. I think what you have is a good starting point, and we can adjust later if necessary. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
