On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:01:04AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Jason Gunthorpe >> <jgunthorpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:14:55AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: >> > >> >> scheme specific to RDMA which seems like a waste to me when we can >> >> generically signal an event on the fd for any event that effects any >> >> of the vma's on the file. The FL_LAYOUT lease impacts the entire file, >> >> so as far as I can see delaying the notification until MR-init is too >> >> late, too granular, and too RDMA specific. >> > >> > But for RDMA a FD is not what we care about - we want the MR handle so >> > the app knows which MR needs fixing. >> >> I'd rather put the onus on userspace to remember where it used a >> MAP_DIRECT mapping and be aware that all the mappings of that file are >> subject to a lease break. Sure, we could build up a pile of kernel >> infrastructure to notify on a per-MR basis, but I think that would >> only be worth it if leases were range based. As it is, the entire file >> is covered by a lease instance and all MRs that might reference that >> file get one notification. That said, we can always arrange for a >> per-driver callback at lease-break time so that it can do something >> above and beyond the default notification. > > I don't think that really represents how lots of apps actually use > RDMA. > > RDMA is often buried down in the software stack (eg in a MPI), and by > the time a mapping gets used for RDMA transfer the link between the > FD, mmap and the MR is totally opaque. > > Having a MR specific notification means the low level RDMA libraries > have a chance to deal with everything for the app. > > Eg consider a HPC app using MPI that uses some DAX aware library to > get DAX backed mmap's. It then passes memory in those mmaps to the > MPI library to do transfers. The MPI creates the MR on demand. > > So, who should be responsible for MR coherency? Today we say the MPI > is responsible. But we can't really expect the MPI > to hook SIGIO and somehow try to reverse engineer what MRs are > impacted from a FD that may not even still be open. Ok, that's good insight that I didn't have. Userspace needs more help than just an fd notification. > I think, if you want to build a uAPI for notification of MR lease > break, then you need show how it fits into the above software model: > - How it can be hidden in a RDMA specific library So, here's a strawman can ibv_poll_cq() start returning ibv_wc_status == IBV_WC_LOC_PROT_ERR when file coherency is lost. This would make the solution generic across DAX and non-DAX. What's you're feeling for how well applications are prepared to deal with that status return? > - How lease break can be done hitlessly, so the library user never > needs to know it is happening or see failed/missed transfers iommu redirect should be hit less and behave like the page cache case where RDMA targets pages that are no longer part of the file. > - Whatever fast path checking is needed does not kill performance What do you consider a fast path? I was assuming that memory registration is a slow path, and iommu operations are asynchronous so should not impact performance of ongoing operations beyond typical iommu overhead. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
