On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:11:37AM -0700, Mike Kravetz wrote: > Here is my understanding of how things work for old_len == 0 of anon > mappings: > - shared mappings > - New vma is created at new virtual address > - vma refers to the same underlying object/pages as old vma > - after mremap, no page tables exist for new vma, they are > created as pages are accessed/faulted > - page at new_address is same as page at old_address Yes, and this isn't backed by anon memory, it's backed by shmem. "Shared anon mapping" is really synonymous of shmem, the fact it's not a mmap of a tmpfs file is purely an API detail. > - private mappings > - New vma is created at new virtual address > - vma does not refer to same pages as old vma. It is a 'new' > private anon mapping. > - after mremap, no page tables exist for new vma. access to > the range of the new vma will result in faults that allocate > a new page. > - page at new_address is different than page at old_address > the new vma will result in new Yes, for a anon private mapping (so backed by real anonymous memory) no payload in the old vma could possibly go in the new vma. > So, the result of mremap(old_len == 0) on a private mapping is that it > simply creates a new private mapping. IMO, this is contrary to the purpose > of mremap. mremap should return a mapping that is somehow related to > the original mapping. I agree there's no point to ever use the mremap(old_len == 0) undocumented trick, to create a new anon private mmap, when you could use mmap instead and the result would be the same. So it's plausible nobody could use it for it. > Perhaps you are thinking about mremap of a private file mapping? I was > not considering that case. I believe you are right. In this case a > private COW mapping based on the original mapping would be created. So, > this seems more in line with the intent of mremap. The new mapping is > still related to the old mapping. Yes my earlier example was all about filebacked private mappings, to point out those also have a deterministic behavior with the old_len == 0 trick and it could be still used because the IPC_RMID was executed early on. The point is that you could always use a plain new mmap instead of the old_len == 0 trick, but that applies to shared mappings as well. My argument is that if you keep it and document it for shared anon mappings, I don't see something fundamentally wrong as keeping it for private filebacked mappings too as the shmat ID may have been deleted for those too. > With this in mind, what about returning EINVAL only for the anon private > mapping case? The only case where there's no excuse to use mremap(old_len == 0) as replacement for a new mmap is the private anon mappings case, so while it may still break something (as opposed to a deprecation warning), I guess the likely hood somebody is using it, is very low. > However, if you have a fd (for a file mapping) then I can not see why > someone would be using the old_len == 0 trick. It would be more straight > forward to simply use mmap to create the additional mapping. That applies to MAP_SHARED too and that's why deprecating the whole undocumented old_len ==0 sounded and still sound attractive to me, but doing it right away without a deprecation warning cycle, sounds too risky. > > So an alternative would be to start by adding a WARN_ON_ONCE deprecation > > warning instead of -EINVAL right away. > > > > The vma->vm_flags VM_ACCOUNT being wiped on the original vma as side > > effect of using the old_len == 0 trick looks like a bug, I guess it > > should get fixed if we intend to keep old_len and document it for the > > long term. > > Others seem to think we should keep old_len == 0 and document. The only case where it makes sense is after IPC_RMID, but with memfd_create there's no point anymore to use IPC_RMID. tmpfs/hugetlbfs/realfs files can be unlinked while the fd is still open so again no need of the mremap(old_len == 0) trick. Which is why I'd find it attractive to deprecate it if we could, but I assume we can't drop it even if undocumented, which is why I felt a deprecation warning would be suitable in this case (similar to deprecation warning of sysfs and then dropped via config option). I am assuming here that nobody is using it because it's undocumented and it has a bug in the VM_ACCOUNT code too. Without a deprecation warning it'd be hard to tell if the assumption is correct. > I assume you are concerned about the do_munmap call in move_vma? That Yes exactly. > does indeed look to be of concern. This happens AFTER setting up the > new mapping. So, I'm thinking we should tear down the new mapping in > the case do_munmap of the old mapping fails? That 'should' simply > be a matter of: > - moving page tables back to original mapping > - remove/delete new vma Yes. > - I don't think we need to 'unmap' the new vma as there should be no > associated pages. The new vma doesn't require memory allocations to drop as it was just created by copy_vma so there's no risk of further failures in the unwind. After the unwind it'll return -ENOMEM to userland (which we don't right now). > I'll look into doing this as well. It's mostly theoretical, the chances of an allocation failure triggering exactly in that split_vma are basically zero, but I think it'd be more correct and safer. > Just curious, do those userfaultfd callouts still work as desired in the > case of map duplication (old_len == 0)? old_len == 0 is fine with userfaultfd because, len == 0 returns -EINVAL in do_munmap before userfaultfd_unmap_prep is called. Still looking at the VM_ACCOUNT adjustments around do_munmap: mremap: /* Conceal VM_ACCOUNT so old reservation is not undone */ if (vm_flags & VM_ACCOUNT) { do_munmap: if (uf) { int error = userfaultfd_unmap_prep(vma, start, end, uf); if (error) return error; } /* * If we need to split any vma, do it now to save pain later. * * Note: mremap's move_vma VM_ACCOUNT handling assumes a partially * unmapped vm_area_struct will remain in use: so lower split_vma * places tmp vma above, and higher split_vma places tmp vma below. */ I don't see this assumption where it matters that on do_munmap failure, mremap assumes the partially unmapped vma remains in use. In fact it's not partially unmapped at all, it's only split at the "start" address of the do_munmap but not unmapped. mremap caller simply sets excess = 0 and assumes it's all still mapped at the original vma as expected regardless of the order of the __split_vma executed in do_munmap. The whole VM_ACCOUNT logic in this place exists since the start of the git history so I can't see the change originating the above comment, but I assume the comment is wrong or simply confusing. I don't see a problem in userfaultfd_unmap_prep failing with -ENOMEM in relation to the VM_ACCOUNT logic above, before split_vma is called (callee doesn't seem to make assumption). However unrelated to mremap old_len == 0, but purely internal to do_munmap and theoretical, if either of the two __split_vma fails there's no need to send an unmap event and in fact it'd be wrong to, so userfaultfd_unmap_prep should be moved after both split_vma succeded. Thanks, Andrea -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html